With over 240,000 people diagnosed with breast cancer every year, it’s no surprise that many patients seen in orthopedic clinics also have breast cancer somewhere in their medical history. Here’s the catch: breast cancer treatments like chemotherapy, radiation, surgery, and reconstruction don’t just treat cancer—they also create ripple effects across the entire body, leading to problems like altered shoulder movement, rotator cuff issues, and even frozen shoulder.
But here’s the good news: with the 2024 updates to the National Accreditation Program for Breast Centers (NAPBC) Guidelines, healthcare providers are being encouraged to step up their rehab game, making rehab referrals a bigger priority than ever. That’s where you come in.
In this episode, you’ll get a sneak peek into the upcoming APTA CSM session, My Patient with Breast Cancer is Your Patient with Shoulder Dysfunction: Combining Onco- and Ortho-PT, with speakers Dr. Katie Schmitt & Dr. Paula Stout. They break down:
- How breast cancer treatments impact the shoulder and upper body.
- The common side effects that might be flying under your radar—like axillary web syndrome and radiation fibrosis.
- Why understanding these issues can help you level up your evaluation and treatment skills.
Whether you’re an ortho PT who’s curious about oncology or you’re already blending the two, this session is packed with tools and insights to help you give every patient the care they deserve.
Mark your calendar for My Patient with Breast Cancer is Your Patient with Shoulder Dysfunction: Combining Onco- and Ortho-PT
Join Drs. Schmitt & Stout for their session, My Patient with Breast Cancer is Your Patient with Shoulder Dysfunction: Combining Onco- and Ortho-PT, on Friday, February 14, 2025 from 11am-1pm.
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About Dr. Katharine Schmitt
Katie Schmitt, PT, DPT, CLT, Board Certified Clinical Specialist in Oncologic Physical Therapy graduated from Columbia University Medical Center in 2018 with her Doctorate in Physical Therapy. Dr. Schmitt became lymphedema certified from the Norton School in 2023 and later that year Board Certified in Oncologic Physical Therapy. In 2020, Dr. Schmitt started the Physical Therapy department at Hollings Cancer Center, part of the Medical University of South Carolina (MUSC) in Charleston, SC as a 1 day a week program, and has been able to build that program to a 5 day a week service, working to increase the care for patients with oncologic needs at MUSC. Dr. Schmitt has been working on physical therapy for chemotherapy induced peripheral neuropathy since 2018, presented an in-person session at CSM 2023 and then went on to create a virtual course for the APTA. Dr. Schmitt is an item writer for the American Board of Physical Therapy Specialties (oncology). Additional speaking experience includes multiple chats with Bobbi Conner from NPR Health First in South Carolina, hosting survivorship support group meetings at MUSC, hosting a monthly lunch and learns covering oncology topics, and being featured this year on the Onco-PT Podcast talking about CIPN.
Connect with Dr. Katharine Schmitt via email drkatiedpt@gmail.com and visit her website DrKatieDPT.com.
About Dr. Paula Stout
Paula K. Stout, PT, DPT, CLT-LANA, Board Certified Specialist in Oncologic Physical Therapy received her Bachelor of Health Science in Physical Therapy from the University of Missouri in Columbia, and her Doctorate in Physical Therapy from A.T. Still University in Mesa, Arizona. She received her lymphedema certifications through the Academy of Lymphatic Studies, and is Board certified in Lymphedema therapy through the Lymphology Association of North America. She is also a Board Certified Specialist in Oncologic Physical Therapy. Dr. Stout has over 25 years of experience in the treatment of patients with cancer, and has developed cancer rehabilitation programs in both Missouri and Indiana. She is an active member of the American Physical Therapy Association and Academy of Oncologic Physical Therapy, currently serving as a Delegate and on the Executive Board and the Member at Large. Dr. Stout serves on the Specialization Academy of Content Experts for the Oncologic Specialty Council and is an Item Writer for the American Board of Physical Therapy Specialties (oncology). She serves as the Oncology Board Member on the American Board of Physical Therapy Specialties. Dr. Stout currently works at Franciscan Alliance, overseeing the Oncology Rehabilitation Program in Crown Point, Indiana. She also created and leads the Oncology Rehabilitation Collaborative throughout the larger Alliance system in the state of Indiana. Dr.Stout serves as adjunct faculty for Northwestern University DPT program, teaching lymphedema and oncology.
Connect with Dr. Paula Stout via email: drpaulastout@outlook.com.
Transcript
Elise – @TheOncoPT (00:19)
Hey OncoPT and welcome to this episode of the OncoPT podcast. We are continuing our APTA CSM 2025 preview sessions with a fantastic conversation that frankly is long overdue, I think within oncology. But what we’re talking about here is not just within oncology. And I think that’s what makes this really unique and part of why this conversation is so overdue. So before I give away their entire presentation, let’s welcome
Dr. Katie Schmitt and Dr. Paula Stout to the Onco PT podcast. Now I’m gonna have each of the speakers introduce themselves starting with Katie, please.
Dr. Katie (00:57)
Hey everybody, I am Dr. Katie Schmitt. I am the physical therapist over at Hollings Cancer Center in Charleston, South Carolina, which is part of the Medical University of South Carolina. If you have listened to the Onco PT podcast before, you’ve probably heard me talk a lot about neuropathy, but I’m so excited to be here with Paula Stout today to talk about breast cancer.
Elise – @TheOncoPT (01:19)
magazine and Paula I’ll turn it over to you.
Paula Stout (01:23)
All right, I’m Dr. Paula Stout and I am in Northwest Indiana, Chicagoland and work for a large healthcare system. But I’m so excited about what Katie and I have put together. And so just can’t wait to talk about this today. And like you said, combining the onco-ortho, because that’s what we, you know what mean, that’s what we know we need to do. So thank you for having us.
Elise – @TheOncoPT (01:46)
Yeah.
my gosh, I’m so excited to dive into this. let’s first of all, your session is actually not under the oncology section whatsoever. So if you are looking for this in real time, either on the app or on the website for CSM, this is actually under the ortho section. So it’s ortho. So OR-21188: My patient with breast cancer is your patient with shoulder dysfunction, combining onco and ortho PT.
So can you tell us a little bit about this session and maybe a little bit on why this is not in the oncology section programming?
Dr. Katie (02:31)
Sure, I guess I can start and Paula jump in for sure. So we first started talking about this in 2023. I met Paula when I was doing CSM 2023. And we started talking about how important it is that a patient with breast cancer is essentially a shoulder patient. And that’s so important because of things like the perspective surveillance model and the NAPBC guidelines and
just how much other therapists are going to see patients with breast cancer. And I know for me personally, I work in a clinic where I’m the only PT and we have one other PT who specializes in breast cancer in a different office the next town over. But we’re pushing for all these, let’s see our patients before axillary lymph node dissections. And those visits cannot all be seen by me. So they end up being seen by our orthotherapist.
And our orthotherapists may not know about axillary web syndrome or enough about lymphedema. And so that kind of started to spur our conversation and sort of was the jumping off point. And we thought it was so important for orthopedics to accept this section because we really wanted to bring this to them so that it’s more tangible and much easier and less scary when you see a patient with breast cancer and you would know what to look at.
Paula, am I missing anything?
Elise – @TheOncoPT (03:59)
Mm.
Paula Stout (04:00)
No, I think that’s wonderful. And I am so glad that this is the question you asked first, Elise, because Katie and I, like she said, we met a couple of years ago and we began discussing this. And I’m not even exactly sure how we, you know, did this after your CIPN session. But we got so deep into conversation. And I think it’s probably because we’re just both so passionate about oncology rehab. And we we both had this idea like, hey, let’s do this. Let’s.
Elise – @TheOncoPT (04:25)
Mm-hmm.
Paula Stout (04:28)
let’s talk about how our patient with cancer is an orthopedic patient, a neurological patient, you know, I’m saying all of these other side effects. And so I still have the little handwritten note from when we met after that, Katie, when we were gonna do this session. And we were like, okay, we’re gonna plan for 2025, because we had a phone call after CSM of, I guess it was 23, you said, Katie, right? And so,
Dr. Katie (04:54)
Yeah. Yeah.
Paula Stout (04:55)
Because like you said, we realize that all individuals who undergo surgery for breast cancer, any oncology, especially this, we’re talking about breast cancer here, whether it’s spasticity, lumpectomy, sentinel no biopsy, axillary no biopsy, they’re all going to have shoulder dysfunction, upper quadrant dysfunction. And so we can help to mitigate and or eliminate a lot of these things. And again, working with other
Elise – @TheOncoPT (05:08)
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Paula Stout (05:23)
know, therapists and just to kind of help raise this awareness in the entire healthcare field. So I’m excited that this is within the ortho section, you know what I mean, to bring all that in.
Elise – @TheOncoPT (05:35)
Yeah.
You know, and I know, especially as a student and then a new professional, the way that I combed through the CSM programming, because my first CSM was in 2016 Anaheim and we actually got a printout of the schedule for every day. And I mean, it was like a, I don’t even know the size of paper we had, but it like folded over three times and you pulled it out and it was all the different sections. And then you turn it over to the other side and it was all the other sections, all the programming.
And it’s overwhelming. know, now it’s on an app, it’s electronic, it’s a little less paper, but it’s still overwhelming. And so a quick way for someone who is maybe not sure where they want to go or overwhelmed by all the content is to go to a section, go to an academy’s programming and say, what am I going to go to here? And I love, you know, as great as that strategy is because it kind of cuts down on the mental chaos.
it also kind of silos us. And that’s one of the things that I think is a conversation that’s been going on for a while on because of the way CSM is structured, we tend to silo ourselves. All the oncology programming, all the stuff about cancer, it’s in the oncology section, which is great. It has a home there, but it also means that maybe we don’t reach as many clinicians who are seeing these patients in their practice. And again, I love that example, Katie, you gave at the beginning of, you know,
as much as we’re pushing for patients to get in for pre-hab or what have you, they can’t all see you. You are one clinician. You have a finite amount of time on your schedule. We need clinicians. We need our ortho colleagues and our neuro colleagues to be able to start seeing these patients, at least in the meantime. Maybe it’s not for the entire plan of care, but at least to get started seeing them.
There’s a lot that happens from when you have an idea, I imagine, on this presentation to the actuality. So how did you really kind of decide on this needs to be an ortho, here’s how we’re gonna make it work in ortho? Because I would, I mean, I’m so pleasantly surprised that ortho accepted an oncology program like this.
Dr. Katie (07:55)
I think there was never any really thought about it. It was always, just going to go after the ortho folk.
Elise – @TheOncoPT (08:01)
that.
Let’s go.
Paula Stout (08:05)
I know, and I think it’s a big, big, big deal to, because you know, as we always say, if you are a physical therapist, you’re going at some point in your, you’re going to treat individuals who have a diagnosis of cancer or have had a diagnosis of cancer. So I think it’s just so amazing that, like you said, that, that crossover and that recognition that, you know, that it encompasses so many things.
Elise – @TheOncoPT (08:24)
Mm-hmm.
Dr. Katie (08:35)
I think one of the things, Paula, that you’ve talked about when we’ve been planning this so much so is that now cancer is more of a chronic condition. And so this becomes a comorbidity that so many folks are going to see. And if it’s really, I think it’s like one in three are going to show up with some type of cancer. So we need to really make it less scary and more out there and kind of tie in rotator cuff issues to
Elise – @TheOncoPT (08:48)
Yes.
Dr. Katie (09:03)
Axel or Webb syndrome and a peck with an expander underneath it.
Elise – @TheOncoPT (09:07)
Absolutely, absolutely.
Paula Stout (09:08)
I love that. I
love what you just said, because like it is, you we know that cancer is now a chronic disease. It’s not, you know, I mean, because we have earlier detection, better treatments. So we’re going to have, you know, that individuals living with these side effects. And so to be able to identify that and treat it and again help to eliminate a lot of it, because, you know, what I say oncology rehab should be involved from time of diagnosis throughout survival.
Elise – @TheOncoPT (09:20)
Right.
Paula Stout (09:37)
you know, at every point, like you said, the pre-hab, Elise, and then, you know, right after surgery and those sorts of things. So I think that’s such a good point, Katie.
Elise – @TheOncoPT (09:47)
Yeah. Now, why at CSM? Like you could present this at some other conference or something else like that. Why or what was the inspiration or motivation behind presenting this really important topic at CSM?
Dr. Katie (10:04)
because it’s the biggest platform there is.
Elise – @TheOncoPT (10:07)
That’s acceptable. That’s absolutely an acceptable answer.
Paula Stout (10:12)
As I was saying, we may, you don’t know about Katie and I, may, we may, we may present this elsewhere as well. But, I agree. And we can reach so many, like you said, it’s such a big, you know, when you look at it, it’s overwhelming when you see all of the different offerings and that sort of thing. It’s like, which one do I go to? You know, however,
you know, individuals, there’s so many people there. And so they can, I just feel like we can reach more people. Yeah. Like Katie said.
Elise – @TheOncoPT (10:41)
Mm-hmm.
Absolutely.
Dr. Katie (10:47)
I think too with the on-demand option, like now that there’s that extra virtual stuff, if you can’t, like if you’re like, I really want to go see this thing. I can’t see this one today, but you can see it a week later or three months later. So that makes it more special too.
Elise – @TheOncoPT (10:51)
Yeah.
Yeah, absolutely. And again, going back to what Paula said, yeah, increasing that reach. So that’s a good question. I’m glad we brought that up. So it sounds like, yes, your session is going to be on demand, which I love. No matter if attendees are going live in person to the conference or whether they’re going to be choosing that virtual option, excuse me, why do you think it’s so important for attendees
Paula Stout (11:05)
And we are doing that.
Yeah.
Elise – @TheOncoPT (11:30)
to go to your session versus someone else’s session happening at the same time.
Dr. Katie (11:39)
think one of the things that’s gonna make our session special is that we are planning to have a lot of hands-on experience. So we’re gonna have workshopping some exercise things, we’re gonna have workshopping some manual therapy stuff, we’re gonna have handouts to help you feel what axillary web syndrome feels like. So a lot of stuff that’s gonna be tactile. And yes, you can do that over video later.
But it’s going to be really nice to do that in person. And I think we’re really trying to tie together the ortho as well as the onco. So trying to keep everyone really excited. And so being there with the two different disciplines will hopefully spark a lot of great conversation as well. So you can learn from people while you’re there, not just us.
Paula Stout (12:33)
I agree. And Katie’s so good with that hands-on stuff. I think that’s the first year, like I said, when we met, you know, all the, I was like, my gosh, this is so great. You know, we’re not just standing up here talking. We’re getting some hands-on and you know, we’ll be doing some standing up there talking, but, we’ll, you know, just, she has so many great ideas with that to, to engage and you know, it’s going to be engaging. It’s not just going to, you know,
Dr. Katie (12:52)
Okay.
Paula Stout (13:01)
be sitting and listening. And again, I think just to clarify some of the side effects that we might see and like you said, Katie, how would that feels? What are we actually gonna feel? And if I feel this, can I treat this or should I refer them to someone who is trained in lymphedema treatment or you know I’m saying or other areas or neuro again, all of those areas. So I think this is gonna help clarify a lot of that.
Elise – @TheOncoPT (13:30)
Mmm.
Yeah.
Dr. Katie (13:36)
love that you say that because that’s one of the things we want to give to people is we want you to walk out of the session and have the confidence to say, hey, in my clinic, send me the patients with breast cancer. Or we don’t have a cancer center close to us that has rehab. Let’s network with one.
Elise – @TheOncoPT (13:47)
Mm-hmm.
That’s a really good point too. And I think a lot of oncology rehab, and understandably so, there’s a lot of really wonderful oncology rehab programs that are really well established, that have been established for a while in big cities with access to these big medical institutions, academic institutions. But there’s also a lot of attendees who are coming to this, who may be the only clinician in their
their hospital area, their community who are willing and open to treating oncology patients. I’m here in Fort Worth, Texas. I talk about this all the time. And as big as Fort Worth, Texas is, like we’re literally the 12th or 13th largest city in the United States, we have a desert of oncology rehab care available. And so a lot of patients are either driving across to Dallas,
or sometimes they’re just not getting it, which is really unfortunate. So for the clinician who is in that position like you’re talking about, who is, they’re kind of alone, they’re kind of practicing by themselves, they don’t have a lot of resources, what is something that they are going to take away from this presentation that’s going to help them not just learn this information, but also implement it when they get back to their clinic or hospital, what have you, on Monday after CSM?
Paula Stout (15:23)
think if it’s okay, wanna…
Dr. Katie (15:23)
I think one of the things,
no, yeah.
Paula Stout (15:27)
Go ahead.
Dr. Katie (15:30)
No, no, you go first.
Paula Stout (15:31)
No, I was just going to say, you know, I know in the beginning when we were introducing, like, you know, I said I work for a large hospital system, but I work for a community based system and always have. so that, you know, it’s a large system that where our clinic is, is a smaller. And so we’re exactly that, like you said, Elise, where that very, I hate to use the word fragmented, but I kind of want to say that sometimes, because like you said, they go to the larger academic centers for
Elise – @TheOncoPT (15:50)
Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah.
Paula Stout (16:00)
maybe their surgery and their treatment planning and maybe even their radiation or maybe they do their radiation closer to us. so it’s not as if we are in that system where you, everyone comes in to see everybody on one day. That is not the case. And so we have people from rural areas driving two hours to see us. And so again, like Katie said, this is why we need the other
Elise – @TheOncoPT (16:06)
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Paula Stout (16:30)
You know, we need everybody to be able to treat them for the you know, yeah for everything so Go ahead Katie. I’m sorry
Elise – @TheOncoPT (16:38)
Yes.
Dr. Katie (16:40)
Yeah, no, I think that’s great. I think one of the things too that we’ve really tried to do is plan the session so that we sort of explain why we’re there, explain about cancer, explain about breast cancer, go back through kind of the orthopedic manual and tie it to the shoulder and then show you what a eval would look like, what treatment would look like, what tests you would use. And so
Elise – @TheOncoPT (16:40)
my gosh, yes.
Dr. Katie (17:08)
And then that hands-on kind of experience that people are going to have, giving you the sense of, okay, I get this and I, I’m really confident with frozen shoulder. And now I know that I can adapt it for radiation fibrosis or intercostal brachial neuralgia that I might not have thought about or caught. and so we hope to tie all those pieces together. So if you are in a clinic and you’re alone, you kind of have an idea of.
Elise – @TheOncoPT (17:25)
Mm-hmm.
Dr. Katie (17:38)
what to do, where to go.
Elise – @TheOncoPT (17:40)
Yeah, yeah. I, know, Paula, I don’t love the word fragmented, but I, yeah, go ahead.
Paula Stout (17:42)
And I think, we, Alice?
That’s all right. I’m sorry. There might be a little delay there. was just going to say, isn’t that what we we always say too, is that that we want to kind of disseminate some of the some of the ideas that, my goodness, this person had cancer. Should I touch them? Should I work with their shoulder if they had radiation or, you know, don’t we talk about that a lot? Yeah. So I feel like exactly like what you said, Katie.
Elise – @TheOncoPT (17:54)
That’s okay.
Thanks
That’s such an excellent point, Paula, of, you know, I think in oncology we’ve done, with an oncology PT, oncology rehab, we’ve done a good job of kind of, we understand it is okay and it is very good for us to work with people who have cancer, even as they’re going through cancer treatment, even as they have active cancer. I feel like we have an understanding of that.
But that is not widespread knowledge. think, and I use the we like the royal we. We as a field have done a really good job of keeping that information to ourselves. Whether that was on purpose or accident doesn’t matter. But we kind of tend to keep that to ourselves. And your session is doing a really good job of going into the ortho space, for example, with this presentation and really making those connections that we talk about we’re comfortable with because we see these patients all day, every day.
But again, it’s very much like, think a lot of times like Katie was talking about at the beginning, there’s this idea of, that person has cancer. They need to go see Katie or they need to go see Paula. I can’t see them because I don’t know what to do with them. I’m going to hurt them. And, you know, while well-intentioned, unfortunately, that is still the reality for a lot of clinicians. You know, whether that’s we learned that in school or just we pick that up, you know, as we work with patients of,
Hands off, I can’t touch them, they have cancer. They need to go see a specialist, only an on-cobPT, for example.
Dr. Katie (19:49)
Yeah, definitely. And we would, of course, love to treat all of them. But you can’t, you just can’t, there’s just not enough time during the day. And one of the things I’ve gotten to see in my hospital system is that showing this to the other therapists that I work with, and they’ll email me and they’ll say, I have this patient and they’re coming in and it’s for their pre-eval for lymphedema. What do I do? Should they not use their arm? They’re like, no, no, no, no, let me teach you, let me show you. And then they do the eval and they come back to you with another email and they’re like,
That was easy. Okay, cool. I’ve got this patient. Like, yes. And that’s what we want.
Paula Stout (20:27)
That’s so true. And we have so much evidence, you know, when I think about when I started this umpteen years ago, and that was what people were told. Don’t use your arm. You know, you might develop lymphedema. And now we have so much evidence talking about the benefits of exercise, reducing exacerbations and helping to control it. And that’s just one thing. That’s just lymphedema. You know what I mean? But as we know, cancer related fatigue and
Elise – @TheOncoPT (20:41)
Yeah.
Paula Stout (20:54)
We’ll talk a little bit about some of that exercise guidelines and that sort of thing.
Elise – @TheOncoPT (21:01)
that. my gosh. And again, we are so good at exercise prescription. Like I feel like we do that all day every day. And I love how structured those guidelines are. think, you know, giving those along with all the information that you’re giving you your presentation is really going to be freeing or, you know, relieving for some of the clinicians in the audience to say,
You’re right. I do have what it takes to work with these patients. I do have lot of ortho skills that are very applicable here. So I think there’s going to be a ton of takeaways that the audience is going to get from this presentation. But of all of those takeaways, what is one thing that you want attendees to take away from your session at CSM?
Dr. Katie (21:52)
I think just having the confidence to say, yes, I can treat a patient with breast cancer. Yes, I can see someone with stage zero lymphedema. Yes, I can know that if they’re coming in and I can’t piece it together from the ortho things that I’ve ruled out, maybe it’s a cancer thing. And it could be that they’re in treatment. It could be that they’re 15 years out of treatment and they still can’t deal with their shirt touching their skin. I can help them now.
Paula Stout (22:23)
I I couldn’t have said it better. And I think we’ve already touched on several of those things. That just to know that, because if you see that diagnosis and you’re like, no, they had cancer. Can I do this? Can I do that? You know what I mean? Yes, yes you can. And you’re going to make them better by doing what we do as PTs. This is what we do. And like you said about exercise prescription, isn’t that what we do?
Elise – @TheOncoPT (22:48)
Bingo.
Paula Stout (22:52)
And so, yeah, so I totally agree with Katie. That is, think our biggest takeaway is just to kind of, and I think just having that little bit more understanding of the rehab implications and side effects of chemo, radiation, surgeries, you know, just knowing, okay, well, maybe this is why they’re having this issue. You know, it’s not just a normal frozen shoulder, right? You know, they’ve had these other things and yes, it’s okay if I perform this type
Elise – @TheOncoPT (22:53)
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Paula Stout (23:21)
manual therapy and that sort of thing.
Elise – @TheOncoPT (23:23)
Yep.
Yep. I love that. So when does your CSM session take place?
Dr. Katie (23:32)
Friday, Valentine’s Day at 11 o’clock in the morning. So you can love to treat patients with breast cancer. That was terrible.
Elise – @TheOncoPT (23:36)
my God, how perfect. my God, it’s perfect. It’s perfect.
Paula Stout (23:41)
was really good. That’s
so good.
Elise – @TheOncoPT (23:45)
Amazing. So in case you missed that, that is happening on Friday, Valentine’s Day, which is so romantic to get to spend your, you know, mid morning with Katie and Paula talking about
breast cancer and shoulder dysfunction. It is also available on demand. So if maybe you’re not joining us in person for CSM, you can still get a lot of goodness from this presentation and implement it with your own patients in your own community. Last question here, if people want to connect with you and continue to learn more from you, how can they do that? Let’s start with Katie.
Dr. Katie (24:23)
You can find me on DrKatieDPT.com and you can send me an email or drkatiedpt@gmail.com. Easy enough. And then check out all the past Onco PT podcasts and learn more.
Elise – @TheOncoPT (24:39)
Can’t wait, can’t wait. And you, Paula?
Paula Stout (24:41)
Love it. Yeah. Do paulastoutDPT@outlook.com Email me anytime. I’m more than happy to help and or discuss these things as you can tell. So, again, listen to this podcast.
Dr. Katie (25:01)
And I have to say just quickly, hopefully they will come to our session, lots of folks will come to our session and they will love it and they will want to learn more about patients with breast cancer and lymphedema and they’ll go to Paula’s session about the lymphedema treatment.
Elise – @TheOncoPT (25:02)
Whoa.
and also Katie’s other session on, more so like.
Dr. Katie (25:18)
you
Paula Stout (25:20)
Yeah
Dr. Katie (25:21)
Yes, come and rub your feet
also. We’ll teach you how to do the shoulder and then I’ll teach you how to do the feet.
Elise – @TheOncoPT (25:27)
Y’all these PTs are on the map and taking over the world when it comes to oncology rehab and it is the best thing ever. So like if you can’t get enough of them from this session alone, there are multiple other options for you to enjoy and learn from them. I’m personally very excited for both of them because Paula, as we’ve mentioned, is also doing a session on updates with, you know, what’s happened with the lymphedema treatment act and how this is affecting, you know, getting compression and
went out for a patients, I’m really excited about. And Katie is coming on the podcast in another episode. So I’m not going to spoil that too much right now because it’s already planned. So I’m going to make Katie wait a little bit to talk about hers, but it does look like Katie has something else to say.
Dr. Katie (26:13)
I do want to also put out there, because I know, Elise, you’re so great at talking about what everyone does and what everyone specializes in. And I hope that everyone who gets excited about oncology PT also goes to Elise’s session at CSM to learn more about why onco PT should be a hashtag.
Elise – @TheOncoPT (26:32)
It’s true. It’s true. And we will talk about that more shortly. Do not fret my friend. Honestly, this CSM is probably one of the strongest when it comes to such a variety of oncology topics and speakers too. Like this might be the best one yet. And I haven’t gone yet. Obviously it hasn’t happened yet, but man, there are a lot of sessions that I’m really, really looking forward to.
Paula Stout (26:52)
Hahaha
Elise – @TheOncoPT (27:02)
I don’t know how I’m gonna pick which ones I’m going to frankly. Like I need, I say this every year, but I mean this with all sincerity the most this year. I need one of those time turners to where I can go back in time and then just visit all of the sessions live because I have the worst FOMO at CSM. It’s awful.
Paula Stout (27:14)
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Agreed. I know this is amazing and I know that’s been our goal, you know, is to have different and like you look at it this year and you’re like, wow, look at all of the different options. I’m excited too.
Elise – @TheOncoPT (27:30)
It’s amazing. It is amazing.
my gosh. Well, thank you so much, both of you for coming on the podcast today and talking about your session. Remember, if you are looking for their session, it takes place on Friday and it is from the 11 to 1 p.m. block, I think is what we said. Very, very good. And remember, it is not in the oncology programming section. It is an ortho. So ortho OR 2118.
My patient with breast cancer is your patient with shoulder dysfunction combining Onco and OrthoPT. Just one more time, make sure that you’ve got it set aside in your app or bookmarked on your calendar, whatever you need. I will of course be linking to all of this information in the show notes. Once again, Katie, Paula, thank you so much for joining me today on the podcast. And until next time, this is Elise with the OncoPT. And remember, you are exactly the physical therapist that your patients with cancer need.
So let’s get to work.